ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC34/WG2 N24
ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC34/WG2
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| TITLE: |
Online discussions for DSSSL Amendment |
| SOURCE: |
Y. Komachi |
| PROJECT: |
JTC1.34.15.06.01 |
| PROJECT EDITOR: |
Sharon Adler |
| STATUS: |
Document for Philadelphia meeting |
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| DATE: |
1999-11-29 |
| DISTRIBUTION: |
SC34/WG2 and Liaisons |
| REFER TO: |
References included |
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Online discussions for DSSSL Amendment
Highlights of the DSSSL online discussions are listed. Some personal
informations are eliminated.
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Sub: RE: Background on DSSSL
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:54:49 -0400
From: "Mason, James David (MXM) "
To: [email protected]
Cc: "Japan: Yushi Komachi"
DSSSL Folks:
Ralph has done a good job with summarizing how DSSSL came to be. This spurs
me on to raise a question that has been hanging around my mind for several
weeks:
ISO standards are not forever. They have to be reaffirmed every 5 years. For
DSSSL, that review will happen in 2001. If there is no support for ISO
10179:1996 *in the standards community*, it will not be reaffirmed.
As Ralph observed, all the key people on the DSSSL project have now moved to
the XSL project. ISO/IEC JTC1/SC34 has nobody working on DSSSL, though some
of the HyTime people have (because of the events Ralph summarized) a very
strong awareness of what's in DSSSL. However, without a project editor in
SC34 and without national standards bodies that are willing to say that
DSSSL is in use in their countries, the standard will be withdrawn.
We know that there is a small but dedicated community using DSSSL. That
community is probably not plugged in to the international standards process
and so the national bodies won't be aware that there is a user community.
Could DSSSL survive without ISO/IEC approval? I don't see why not. Other
things (e.g., PERL) exist on community support without the intervention of
the formal standards process.
However, if having the ISO/IEC "seal of approval" on your language is
important to you, then you ought to think of how you can go about
maintaining the standard. At the present, SC34 national members include
Canada, China, France, Germany, Ireland, Japan, Korea, Netherlands, Norway,
Sweden, UK, and USA. We would welcome additional national bodies, and all
the current national bodies would welcome additional participants.
If you are interested in keeping DSSSL an ISO standard, I'd be glad to
discuss how the process works. Ralph has also been part of the process and
would be willing, I'm sure, to advise you. You could also contact Dr. Yushi
Komachi ([email protected]), who is convenor of SC34/WG2, the group
immediately responsible for DSSSL.
Jim Mason
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Sub: Project JTC1.34.15.6.1 - ISO/IEC 10179:1
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:57:14 -0400
From: "G. Ken Holman"
To: Yushi Komachi
Cc: Sharon Adler , "James D. Mason" ,
Didier PH Martin
Hello Yushi! I hope this note finds you well.
I am writing you today regarding your position as convenor of ISO/IEC JTC
1/SC 34/ WG 2, and my role as Canadian chairman of CAC/ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 34.
I have a new member of my committee in Canada who has a strong interest in
the further development and advancement of the DSSSL standard. It is my
pleasure to introduce to you Mr. Didier Martin. Didier has only joined my
committee this week, so has not had the opportunity to attend any of the
international meetings.
I see from the programme of work that Sharon Adler is still listed as the
project editor, so I have copied her with this note.
Are there outstanding action items regarding the current status of ISO/IEC
10179:1996? Are there any reported errors that need to be fixed? Have any
new features been formally requested from any National Bodies? Would you
support the consideration of an Amendment to this standard that would
address current outstanding issues and possible new features?
Canada is interested in initiating an Amendment to create a new "DSSSL-2".
If Sharon is not interested in continuing as editor, Didier has expressed
the interest to consider taking the position (having him as project editor
is not necessary for Canada's interest, Didier could contribute just as a
member of WG2 if necessary).
Is there a document that has summarized the status of comments received
about DSSSL? For Didier to prepare Canada's contribution it would be
useful to know what is currently outstanding and how much work is pending
in the project before committing to the editor position and suggesting new
features.
.............. Ken
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To Mr. G. Ken Holman
Cc Sharon Adler , "James D. Mason" ,
Didier PH Martin
From Yushi Komachi
1999-06-28 JST
Subject Re Proj JTC1.34.15.6.1 - ISO/IEC 10179:1
Hi, Ken
>Are there outstanding action items regarding the current status of ISO/IEC
>10179:1996? Are there any reported errors that need to be fixed? Have any
>new features been formally requested from any National Bodies? Would you
>support the consideration of an Amendment to this standard that would
>address current outstanding issues and possible new features?
The actual works of SC34/WG2 were just started at the Granada Meeting held
in May 1999. There has not yet been any activities on DSSSL. If requested I
would like to support the maintenance of DSSSL including Technical
Corrigenda and Amendments.
>Canada is interested in initiating an Amendment to create a new "DSSSL-2".
>If Sharon is not interested in continuing as editor, Didier has expressed
>the interest to consider taking the position (having him as project editor
>is not necessary for Canada's interest, Didier could contribute just as a
>member of WG2 if necessary).
Aggressive proposals are always welcomed.
>Is there a document that has summarized the status of comments received
>about DSSSL? For Didier to prepare Canada's contribution it would be
>useful to know what is currently outstanding and how much work is pending
>in the project before committing to the editor position and suggesting new
>features.
In the SC18/WG8 days Japan and UK submitted error reports on DSSSL. I'm
not sure I can find them in my document stack.
In Japan recently the following activities on DSSSL were taken:
- ISO/IEC 10179 was translated and published as JIS X 4153:1998
- JIS/TR X 0010, DSSSL library was developed and published
- DSSSL Application for a JIS Publishing System was reported to ISO/ITSIG
(see http://www.y-adagio.com/public/confs/itsig_tsg/dsl_apl.htm)
Those resulted in some requirements for extension to DSSSL.
I would like to discuss those DSSSL issues in the next SC34/WG2
meeting, with you, Didier and Sharon. However, if you or Didier have a
urgent issues, I believe we should discuss them on line.
Regards,
Yushi Komachi
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Sub: Re: Re Proj JTC1.34.15.6.1 - ISO/IEC 101
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 19:27:45 -0700
From: "G. Ken Holman"
To: "Y. Komachi"
Thank you for writing, Yushi!
Separate from the standards related work, I have a question, please.
At 99/06/28 06:18 +0900, you wrote:
>In Japan recently the following activities on DSSSL were taken:
>- ISO/IEC 10179 was translated and published as JIS X 4153:1998
>- JIS/TR X 0010, DSSSL library was developed and published
>- DSSSL Application for a JIS Publishing System was reported to ISO/ITSIG
> (see http://www.y-adagio.com/public/confs/itsig_tsg/dsl_apl.htm)
>Those resulted in some requirements for extension to DSSSL.
Is the information above public information that I can share with them?
With your permission I would like to do so and introduce you to my
acquaintances there.
Thank you, Yushi.
............. Ken
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Sub: RE: Re Proj JTC1.34.15.6.1 - ISO/IEC 101
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 19:24:02 -0400
From: "Didier PH Martin"
Reply-To:
To: "Y. Komachi" ,
Cc: ,
Hi Yushi
Yushi said:
In the SC18/WG8 days Japan and UK submitted error reports on DSSSL. I'm
not sure I can find them in my document stack.
Didier says:
Do you know where I can find these documents. Within the OpenJade community
we found several bugs and we are currently updating the actual code base to
resolve some of them (an experimental version). Within this context, it
would be useful to be able to have access to documents mentioning spec
errors. This would feed the user group reflection and start the collective
work toward DSSSL-2.
Yushi, are you actually participating to the DSSSL mailing list at Mulberry
tech? (ref: http://www.mulberrytech.com/dsssl/dssslist/ )
I was particularly pleased to see that JIS is using DSSSL for document
formatting. Can we refer to the links you provided in the next OpenJade
news?
regards
Didier PH Martin
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To Mr. G. Ken Holman
Cc
From Yushi Komachi
1999-06-28 JST
Subject Re3: Proj JTC1.34.15.6.1
Hi, Ken
>At 99/06/28 06:18 +0900, you wrote:
>>In Japan recently the following activities on DSSSL were taken:
>>- ISO/IEC 10179 was translated and published as JIS X 4153:1998
>>- JIS/TR X 0010, DSSSL library was developed and published
>>- DSSSL Application for a JIS Publishing System was reported to ISO/ITSIG
>> (see http://www.y-adagio.com/public/confs/itsig_tsg/dsl_apl.htm)
>>Those resulted in some requirements for extension to DSSSL.
>
>Is the information above public information that I can share with them?
Yes, they are published by Japanese Standards Association. Standard numbers,
titles and prices are:
(1) JIS X 4153:1998, Document Style Semantics and Specification Language (DSSSL),
\8,400
(2) TR X 0010:1998, DSSSL Library for Japanese Compositions, \9,500
(3) TR X 0013:1999, Style Specification for Standards Document Interchange,
\12,900
The TRs (2) and (3) can be obtained from the Web:
(2) http://www.y-adagio.com/public/standards/dsllib/toc.htm
(3) http://www.y-adagio.com/public/standards/tr_ssdi/indx.htm
Regards,
Yushi Komachi
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Sub: Re3: Proj JTC1.34.15.6.1
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 07:55:47 -0700
From: "G. Ken Holman"
To: "Y. Komachi"
Cc: , ,
I will work with Didier regarding a Canadian contribution to WG2.
Forwarding any information anyone has regarding the outstanding Japanese or
U.K. comments, or other issues that need to be addressed, would be much
appreciated.
Thanks!
......... Ken
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To Mr. Didier PH Martin
Cc [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
From Yushi Komachi
1999-06-30 JST
Subject RE3: Proj JTC1.34.15.6.1
Hi, Martin
>Yushi said:
>In the SC18/WG8 days Japan and UK submitted error reports on DSSSL. I'm
>not sure I can find them in my document stack.
>Didier says:
>Do you know where I can find these documents.
You might be able to find them in the old SC18/WG8 Web of Dr. J. Mason:
http://www.ornl.gov/sgml/wg4/ or
http://www.ornl.gov/sgml/wg8/wg8home.htm
Here I attached some related documents.
>Yushi, are you actually participating to the DSSSL mailing list at Mulberry
>tech? (ref: http://www.mulberrytech.com/dsssl/dssslist/ )
No, not yet.
>I was particularly pleased to see that JIS is using DSSSL for document
>formatting. Can we refer to the links you provided in the next OpenJade
>news?
Yes, you can.
Regards,
Yushi Komachi
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Sub: RE: Re Proj JTC1.34.15.6.1 - ISO/IEC 101
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:48:01 -0400
From: "Mason, James David (MXM) "
To: "Y. Komachi"
Yushi:
For your information, a message from Sharon Adler, Jun 26.
Jim
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James, it is funny you should be writing me today. I just resigned from
Inso about 1/2 hour ago. I will be returning to IBM, but this time IBM
Research. T'was a deal I couldn't refuse; Anders will be there as well. We
are excited and perhaps we could return to the ISO world. At Inso it was
out of the question. Give me a bit to get settled; we start on July 12. I
don't have an email address until I start but if you need to reach us you
can through Anders private service at [email protected].
Talk to you soon.
Sharon
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