From: To: "Mason, James David (MXM) " ; ; Cc: ; "Charles F. Goldfarb" ; ; ; ; "Mason, James David (MXM)" ; Subject: Re Liaison statement from ITU-T SG17 to ISO/IEC JTC1/SC34 Date: 2003-01-27, 21:40 Dear Sir, Please accept my apology for not corresponding with you sooner. > We would appreciate your providing us with any information or > comments on why this arc 10036 was created under the registration > -authority arc and whether we should remove the note on the > withdrawal of the that arc from the ASN.1 standard. Thank you for your liaison information. Here I reply to your liaison as an editor of ISO/IEC 10036. Formal liaison response to ITU-T SG17 from JTC1/SC34 will be forwarded after the next SC34 Plenary meeting to be held in May 2003. Actually ISO/IEC 10036 defines that its object identifiers shall be {1 1 10036 ....}. It is based on the definition specified by the clause 5.2.2 in ISO/IEC 9070:1991 (Information technology - SGML support facilities - Registration procedures for public text owner identifers): ***************************************************** [8] ISO registration authority prefix = full registration authority prefix | ISBN prefix | ISO 2375 prefix [9] full registration authority prefix = "ISO",("/", "aaa")?, SPACE, "nnnn",("-", "pp")?, "/", ("R"|"r"),("A"|"a") The equivalent ASN.1 object identifier is ISO(1) Registration-Authority(1) nnnn pp where nnnn is replaced by the number of an ISO registration standard. pp is replaced by the part number (if any). ***************************************************** Note: The editor of ISO/IEC 9070 is Dr. Charles Goldfarb (Charles@XMLHandbook.com). The notation specified in ISO/IEC 9070 are today widely applied to SGML/XML related standards and applications. If the note on subclause D.3.1 of ISO/IEC 8824-1 (the use of arc registration-authority(1) under iso(1) has been withdrawn) should be absolutely valid, we have to amend ISO/IEC 10036, ISO/IEC 9070 and their related standards/applications. The SGML/XML are so much widely implemented that I expect the note of ISO/IEC 8824 will be removed. If the removal is impossible, could you suggest me an appropriate arc for a registration authority? Regards, ------------------------------------------------------------------ Yushi Komachi Panasonic Communications Co., Ltd. 2-3-8 Shimomeguro, Meguro-ku, Tokyo 153-8687 Japan Phone +81 3 5434 7053, Fax +81 3 5445 3663 Email ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mason, James David (MXM)" To: "'Japan HoD: Yushi Komachi'" Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 4:03 AM Subject: FW: Liaison statement from ITU-T SG 17 to ISO/IEC/JTC 1/SC 34 > -----Original Message----- > From: nadine.joubert@itu.int [mailto:nadine.joubert@itu.int] > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 11:24 AM > To: mxm@y12.doe.gov > Cc: sdesante@ansi.org; sebek@itu.int; Gabrielle.Regan@itu.int > Subject: Liaison statement from ITU-T SG 17 to ISO/IEC/JTC 1 > /SC 34 > > Dear Dr Mason, > > Please find attached one liaison statement from ITU-T Study > Group 17, following its meeting 20-29 November 2002, > addressed to ISO/IEC/JTC 1/SC 34 on: > > - ITU-T ASN.1 Project leader: Withdrawn object identifier arc > in ISO/IEC 10036 > > Best regards > > Georges Sebek > > <> COM 17 - LS 26 - E INTERNATIONAL TELECOMMUNICATION UNION TELECOMMUNICATION STANDARDIZATION SECTOR STUDY PERIOD 2001-2004 Question(s): 12/17 Geneva, 20-29 November 2002 Ref. : TD 3074 Rev.1 Source: ITU-T Study Group 17 (Geneva, 20-29 November 2002) Title: ITU-T ASN.1 Project leader: Withdrawn object identifier arc in ISO/IEC 10036 LIAISON STATEMENT To: ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 34, Document Processing and related communication Approval: Agreed to at SG 17 meeting For: Comment Deadline: Contact: Olivier Dubuisson France Telecom France Tel: +33 2 96 05 38 50 Fax: +33 2 96 05 39 45 Email: Olivier.Dubuisson@francetelecom.com This Liaison is related to the ISO/IEC 10036 standard (dated July 1996) on "Registration Authority for Font-Related Objects" and to the following website: http://www.glocom.ac.jp/iso10036/ (an email was sent to www@glocom.ac.jp on Oct. 1, 2002, but we received no answer). The ASN.1 Project of the ITU-T (http://www.itu.int/itu-t/asn1/) is currently in a process of extracting the OIDs defined in all ITU-T Recommendations and ISO standards, and populating a database that will be available at: http://asn1.elibel.tm.fr/oid The latest edition of the ASN.1 standard (published this Summer) says in the note on subclause D.3.1 of ISO/IEC 8824-1 that the use of arc registration-authority(1) under iso(1) has been withdrawn. Such a statement was already present in the 1994 edition of the ASN.1 standard but the current members of the ASN.1 Group can't recall why it was introduced. This statement seems wrong, for we now know of at least two subsequent arcs under "{iso(1) registration-authority(1)}": 1. document-type(2) is defined in ISO/IEC 9834-2:1993. (BTW if "document-type" has number 2, this probably means that number 1 has been reserved for some reason.) 2. an arc numbered 10036 is defined in ISO/IEC 10036:1996 (i.e.,after the publication of the 1994 edition of the ASN.1 standard). (BTW while not illegal, this "big" number under the registration-authority arc seems a bit strange.) We would appreciate your providing us with any information or comments on why this arc 10036 was created under the registration-authority arc and whether we should remove the note on the withdrawal of the that arc from the ASN.1 standard. Thanks in advance for your valuable help. ************************************************************************************** From: "DUBUISSON Olivier" To: Cc: "Mason, James David (MXM)" ; "Charles F. Goldfarb" ; ; ; "Mason, James David (MXM)" ; ; ; "LEMAIRE Jean-Paul" Subject: Re: Re Liaison statement from ITU-T SG17 to ISO/IEC JTC1/SC34 Date: 2003-01-28, 0:06 Dear Sir, thanks for your detailed answer. I have inserted some comments below. komachi@y-adagio.com wrote: > > Thank you for your liaison information. Here I reply to your > liaison as an editor of ISO/IEC 10036. Formal liaison response > to ITU-T SG17 from JTC1/SC34 will be forwarded after the next > SC34 Plenary meeting to be held in May 2003. > > Actually ISO/IEC 10036 defines that its object identifiers shall > be {1 1 10036 ....}. > > It is based on the definition specified by the clause 5.2.2 in > ISO/IEC 9070:1991 (Information technology - SGML support > facilities - Registration procedures for public text owner > identifers): > ***************************************************** > [8] ISO registration authority prefix = > full registration authority prefix | ISBN prefix > | ISO 2375 prefix > [9] full registration authority prefix = "ISO",("/", > "aaa")?, SPACE, "nnnn",("-", "pp")?, "/", > ("R"|"r"),("A"|"a") > The equivalent ASN.1 object identifier is > ISO(1) Registration-Authority(1) nnnn pp BTW note that, according to ASN.1 lexical rules, this should read: {iso(1) registration-authority(1) 10036} > where > nnnn is replaced by the number of an ISO > registration standard. > pp is replaced by the part number (if any). > ***************************************************** Yes, I was aware of that. > Note: The editor of ISO/IEC 9070 is Dr. Charles Goldfarb > (Charles@XMLHandbook.com). > > The notation specified in ISO/IEC 9070 are today widely applied > to SGML/XML related standards and applications. > > If the note on subclause D.3.1 of ISO/IEC 8824-1 (the use of arc > registration-authority(1) under iso(1) has been withdrawn) should > be absolutely valid, we have to amend ISO/IEC 10036, ISO/IEC 9070 > and their related standards/applications. > > The SGML/XML are so much widely implemented that I expect the note > of ISO/IEC 8824 will be removed. We are in a process of reviewing the complete set of registration standards (the ISO 9834 Series). We will make sure that the above restriction (the use of arc registration-authority(1) under iso(1) has been withdrawn) is removed. By copy of this mail, I am asking the ASN.1 defect editor, Mr. Lemaire, to keep track that this is also a defect against the ASN.1:2002 edition. As far as as the ISO 9834 Series is concerned, I will make sure that the corresponding sentence is removed in my review of the documents and that the necessary text is reinstated... provided that the rest of the ASN.1 group agrees to this, but I don't expect any disagreement. > If the removal is impossible, > could you suggest me an appropriate arc for a registration > authority? If the 10036 arc is already used (particularly in implementations), it seems too late (and not appropriate) to move the registered objects under a new arc. Moreover, if we were to go down that route (withdraw the registration-authority arc), we would invalidate other standards such as ISO 2108, ISO 2375, ISO 9070 -- Olivier DUBUISSON france telecom R&D DTL/TAL - 22307 Lannion Cedex - France t: +33 2 96 05 38 50 - f: +33 2 96 05 39 45 - http://asn1.elibel.tm.fr/ **************************************************************************************